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From: jo locke(Researches)
Sent: 19 September 2006 16:22
To: Carl Wunsch
Cc: Eliya Arman
Subject: Climate Change Documentary
Dear Professor Wunsch,
Many thanks for taking the time to talk to me this morning. I found it
really useful and now have the issues much clearer in my mind.
I wanted to email you to outline the approach we will be taking with our
film to clarify our position. We are making a feature length documentary
about global warming for Channel Four in the UK. The aim of the film is
to examine critically the notion that recent global warming is primarily
caused by industrial emissions of CO2.? It explores the scientific
evidence which jars with this hypothesis and explores alternative
theories such as solar induced climate change. Given the seemingly
inconclusive nature of the evidence, it examines the background to the
apparent consensus on this issue, and highlights the dangers involved,
especially to developing nations, of policies aimed at limiting
industrial growth.
We would like to do an interview with you to discuss the notion that
there is a scientific consensus on the effects of global warming on the
Great Ocean Conveyor Belt, the Gulf Stream and the North Atlantic Drift.
It has been widely reported that Britain and Western Europe could soon
be plunged into a mini ice age, and we would like to show that it is
simply not true that they will shut down. We would like to talk to you
about the numerical models and whether they give us a realistic
perspective of the impact of climate change on the oceans. We would also
like to talk to you about the 'memory' of oceans, and how it can take
varying amounts of time for a disturbance to be readable in the North
Atlantic. Fundamentally, we would like to ask you whether scientists
have enough information about the complex nature of our climate system.
Do the records go back far enough to identify climate trends, and can we
conclusively separate human induced change from natural change?
Our filming schedule is still relatively fluid at the moment, but we
hope to be in Boston around the second week of November. Please don't
hesitate to contact me or my producer, Eliya Arman, if you have any
further questions, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Yours sincerely,
From: "Kugelblitz"
Subject: Earthquakes
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001
Dear Valerio,
I am doing some research for a television company called Kugelblitz based in 20 London. The research is for a documentary proposal about how humans are learning to control nature. Your research is of great interest to me and I was wondering whether you might be able to send me some of your published work and possibly have a quick chat with me about your progress.
I am trying to find out how visual your research is so far and also how conclusive it is.
Are you actually testing in the field or is it all still lab experiments?
If so, what kind of experiments are you doing in the lab and what is the time scale that you have predicted before you start to get results?
Do you think that your work will ever be used on a real earthquake site?
If so, where and when do you think this might happen?
If you could also include something that briefly explains your work in the simplest terms possible - i.e.: how does it work, who would it effect etc, Iwould be very grateful.
Also, if you know of anyone who is working in similar fields that also attempt to control nature I would be thrilled to learn of them. My direct line number is
+44 207 688 2165
Thank you for your time,
Yours sincerely,
Eliya Arman



admin a écrit:La réponse, selon lui, était que justement, les médias mettaient sur le même niveau les hypothèses du CONTRE ( les sceptiques du réchauffement ) et celles du POUR, en oubliant de préciser que celles du CONTRE étaient développées par quelques dizaines de scientifiques faisant parties d'assoc' dont les financements proviennent en partie des lobbys pétroliers ... alors que ceux du POUR sont des scientifiques indépendants et sont 2500 experts provenant de toute la planète.
Cela a pour but une confusion dans l'esprit des gens qui ont l'impression que les scientifiques ne sont pas encore tranché sur ce sujet alors que ce n'est pas le cas ... Je pense que le docu que tu présentes fait partie de ces sceptiques ... qui contribuent à maintenir le doute et donc à laisser les choses dans l'état où elles sont !!
Le reste de son analyse portait sur le "Comment" ces scientifiques dénonçaient les études menées par le GIEC en expliquant que leurs démonstrations n'avaient rien de scientifique justement ... mais cherchaient simplement à créer un doute !
Et enfin, il montrait que les plus "sceptiques" les plus connus étaient tous plus ou moins liés dans les mêmes assoc', même groupes, financés par les mêmes personnes ( lobby du pétrole ) ... Je ne saurais vous redire les noms ici de mémoire par contre
Donc perso, je me suis fait mon idée là-dessus et j'ai envie de passer aux actions, non pas de rester sur les questions, surtout lorsque 2500 scientifiques ont déjà répondus à ces questions ...

“The NRSP has been exposed recently as being controlled by energy industry lobbyists”.
« "FoS: We are funded through membership fees ($25/yr) and individual donations”
At 4:48 we learn the significance of the "to my knowledge" qualifier.
TB: The High Park Group brought me in and set me up in a room to give a talk and present my views.
Q: You didn't get paid for those speeches?
TB: Oh I get paid of course.
Q: Did you ever look into where the conference got their money from?
TB: I don't know.
Q: You got paid yesterday to speak?
TB: Yes.
Q: But you don't know who paid you?
TB: The High Park Group paid me. I don't know who paid them.
Q: Which is a public relations group?
TB: I have no idea where they get their money from. ... I make a point of not trying to find out who's paying me. I don't care.
It's beyond obvious that High Park is being paid by companies that see Kyoto as being damaging to their interests and that Ball is only paid by them because he denies anthropogenic global warming. So he is gaining from his denial, both in money and attention.
But Ball can’t even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious “doctor of science” that Ball claims in these articles

zara whites a écrit:j'ai vu une grande partie, et je te remercie d'avoir mis le lien sur mon blog...je crois effectivement que ce sera très dangereux de faire passer un film comme celà sur l'ecran, ici en France comme ailleurs, car pas tout le monde est malheureusement aussi sceptique que toi et n'a pas les moyens de bien decotiquer ce film...et donc les gens risqueront bien de le croire...et alors là, tout ce qu'on essaye de construire coté écologie, tomberait bien en panne.....Est-ce que tu as une idée ce qui comptent faire avec ce film?
...pas très précis tout cela

Alain b a écrit:Bonsoir elvico,
Très intéressant en effet, et j'avais eu vent de ce film, ainsi que du mouvement des "sceptiques" et je t'avoue que j'y travaille déja en silence.

According to the common perception, the temperature over the 20th century has been warming, and it is mostly anthropogenic in origin, with greenhouse gases (GHGs) being the dominant driver. Others, usually called "skeptics", challenge this view and instead claim that the temperature variations are all part of natural variability. As I try to demonstrate below, the truth is probably somewhere in between, with natural causes probably being more important over the past century, whereas anthropogenic causes will probably be more dominant over the next century. Following empirical evidence I describe below, about 2/3's (give or take a third or so) of the warming should be attributed to increased solar activity and the remaining to anthropogenic causes.
The two primary reasons why fossil fuels are bad are of course pollution and depletion, while minor reasons include for example the fact that many fossil fuel reserves are controlled by unpleasant governments.
Thus, I am very much in favor, and always have been, in using less fossil fuels and keeping the environment clean (I amto say that I grew up in a solar house), but we should do things for the right reasons, not the wrong ones (and I don't see Kyoto addressing the right reasons). I am therefore in favor of developing cheap alternatives such as solar power, wind, and of course fusion reactors (converting Deuterium into Helium) which we should have in a few decades, but this is an altogether different issue.
Plus il fera chaud à cause de tous les GES, plus il y aura de photosynthèse et d'humidité rejetée dans l'air. Plus l'atmosphère sera humide, plus il fera chaud. Cercle sans fin.
Rappelons qu'une autre étude récemment parue dans Nature démontrait qu'après un seuil critique, les arbres ne transforment plus le CO2 en oxygène, mais expirent bien du carbone. Juste pour compliquer les choses encore un peu plus...
In fact, there is no substantial evidence which proves that CO2 and other GHGs are the primary cause for the warming, and not some other mechanism.

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Il dirige à Pasteur une nouvelle unité de recherches sur les insectes et les maladies infectieuses


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